No I think they're back together at the moment, oh I don't know. In retrospect it wasn't quite as bad as I said it was. She was sitting on my right and he was on my left and he pretty much ignored her the whole night, and me and her just sat there in almost total silence while he talked to the rest of the group. Me and her talked a little through the night and when I got up and went for a smoke, he looked at her in a way, as if to say he didn't want her to come with me. She's said that he's been really posessive and controlling in the past but if that were the case what's she doing with him? They only seemed to be kissing when I was coming back inside and seemed to stop when I sat down again; I don't know whether that was because of me or what but maybe I'll try to take it as a positive sign. She didn't seem to be as into their kissing as he was and never initiated them, also I think she noticed that anytime they kissed I just looked the other way so I didn't have to see.
There was definately some tension there and her boyfriend/ex/whatever he is seemed to notice it aswell when at one point he turned to ask why we were both being so quiet. I don't know what I'm going to do to be honest, me, her and one of my best friends are going out on Saturday and he's been rooting for me all the way so maybe he can give me some advice/play wingman or whatever. I think I'll just be using improv as I have no clue what to do. I may try and find out what's going on between them or I may just leave it until Saturday and see what my friend can unearth if I conveniently go to the toilet at some point. At this point any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated to help me make heads or tails of this mess.

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I don't know what to tell you. I mean even if she didn't seem into it she was kissing him. =S That's such a hard spot to be in. I agree with you though about letting your friend play wingman and see what happens. You just need to figure out what's going on in her head. Which is harder than it sounds lol. If she's into her ex still then forget it, your just going to get dragged through the dirt. =S It's the unfortunate truth.

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omg! man I've been in the exact same situation as you no joke, it totally sucks when you sit down and you see the girl you like necking another guy but you cant say a thing. I'm sorry bro

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New development, she now won't talk to me. I've tried texting, MSN, Facebook, phoning and whatever I do she just doesn't answer so I have no clue what the hell is going on now.

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Just give it some time man she obviously hasn't figured things out yet and it might just be a coincidence.

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To what Nancey said

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hes not joking

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Ok, so we were all set to go out yesterday; me, her and my best mate... then she calls my friend and says she may have to bring her boyfriend. My friend, being as diplomatic as always, basically just tells her no-one likes him and she shouldn't have to do anything with her boyfriend that she didn't want to anyway. Apparently he would have given her an earfull if she'd have gone out and not taken him with her, I think he's beginning to suspect that I like her, but considering that I talk to her more than he does it wasn't really hard. So eventually she cancels and says that she would have come but her boyfriend would have whinged too much. Later in the day, I found out through a source that she has heard rumours about her boyfriend and because of his two-timing/cheating in their past she is more inclined to believe the rumours than him. Anyway not much has gone on but we're talking alot again so that's probably a good sign. Thanks for all the advice btw. I would tell her how I feel but as she's already in a relationship it kind of goes against my self imposed rules to do that, plus I wouldn't want to be used as just a way out of a bad relationship. Kind of hypocriticial really huh? I'm willing to try show her why she should break up the relationship but not give her the real reason.

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hahaha what would you think that?

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well it all depends. if you like the girl and you think that things could work out, you have to know that some people do things before they are with you, and that really shouldn't matter. if you truly like who she is, then you should try to like who she IS and not what she has DONE - if that makes any sense.